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Claire wrote:Why on earth did you mention Nick? He's never there!!
Sorry, just thought I'd be all-inclusive, wouldn't want to be accused of being Nick-ist!

As far as workplaces go, you lot are lucky to have an equal mix of sexes in your offices/schools. Web development is not exactly a field that is over-populated by many women! It was far better when I was part of the marketing team at JCB...
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Well, Nick did say "hopefully next week", which is quite a commitment for him to make.

A mix of sexes is definitely good: the pretty much all male sales teams at my previous place of work were "interesting". Lots of testosterone flying around, along with some horrendous mis-selling (read the contract, people!).

There was also a study that showed boys do better at mixed schools, but girls do better in single sex schools. Don't know how reliable that was, but I can see that being true, based on my own education. Anyone care to share from their own experiences at school?

Edit: Oh my...I must've been in a weird mood yesterday. Ignore my post from Thursday.
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BarcelonAl wrote:
As far as workplaces go, you lot are lucky to have an equal mix of sexes in your offices/schools.
There is no equal mix of sexes in our school (and most schools for that matter, primary schools being especially "male-poor"). Our school is very much a female-dominated society, very much matriarchal (well, if it works for elephants... :wink: ). It's pretty crap for socialising with men, and also, i don't think it's beneficial for the students, particularly the lads, many of whom are lacking quality male role models, with our demographic being as it is.

As for experiences of mixed/single sex schools, i both teach and went to a mixed school. i did very well in exams but with most kids who do it's linked to potential and then attitude. i've taught in a single sex school but it was also a grammar so it'd be unfair to say whether they applied themselves better or not because it's not comparing like with like. at my school, boys and girls seem equally out to impress the opposite sex...
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btw not gonna be at PQ on tuesday. have late night tomorrow and need my beauty sleep. now i have to get some work done, and figure out how i'm going to teach my bottom set year 7 (8 of them) one of whom's Polish and one of whom can barely read, despite 7 years in the mainstream education system.
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My school is also not an equal mix of men and women but is starting to be. It is female orientated and the majority of men are much older and in subjects like Wood, Construction, etc. The SLT made a significant push for young males this time round though and did get in a music, an ICT and a science teacher. Our new Head of Maths and Science are now men. I am still the only male English teacher. The average age has dropped from around 53 (I'm not kidding, there was only me (26), Rob (33) and Brendan (39) under 40 last year!) to about 40 now.

I personally find socialising in the school to be quite easy. Most of the women are easy enough to talk to outside of the faculty especially now that I have gotten to know them after three years. There are a good number of younger female teachers but the girls don't always take them up as role models. I think that this has to do with either their subject or their personality/way they deal with students.

I think the majority of boys I teach find a role model as a teacher difficult to begin with. This is generally because it doesn't fit into what they have been told a man should be like - i.e., manual work, down the pub, no feelings, etc. When they get someone who is fairly calm and cares a bit about them and has to discuss character feelings through literature then they often don't know how to react for a while. There is a lot of ''trying it on'' to begin with from the jocks but if the male teacher is able to deal with this calmly, put the loud-mouth kids in their place in a nice enough way and let their classes know where the line is then through time they can command a good degree of respect and be well liked. For me, respect from the students is something that is earned, takes time to build up and can be destroyed in a second.

The only exception in the teaching environment I would say would have to be the PE teacher. In 99% of cases it is different because he is doing a subject that they want to be good at because of the ''status'' it gives them amongst their friends/peers - strength, skill, etc. (Our school captains are bloody ugly but have tonnes of girls chasing them and tonnes of wannabe mates). The rest are not subjects they want to be seen as being visibly good at because then they will be labelled with the ''geek'' tag - every high school is generally the same (don't bother with your personal experiences please). Think about it - the amount of Y7 lads who want to be the next premiership footballer/rugby league star in my school must be 95%, the amount who want to be the next editor of FHM/Poet laureate is 0%. I am sure it is the same in your school Rowenna To be honest, I was the same. Therefore, the average kid will look at the male PE teacher and think to themselves ''he is well better at football than me, I want to be as good as him'' regardless of the fact that the kid has two left feet and the co-ordination of a drunken hippo.
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When i said socialising, Andy, i think i probably meant "socialising" :wink: ; i am friends with lots of the blokes at work.

As for the role model thing, i think i am a role model for the young people in school, especially the girls, even if they don't realise it. it's about setting a good example and teaching good values :) rather than trying to have students directly emulate you. the sports point i agree with though, it's soooo not cool to be a bod! :roll: i think it's important to try to broaden horizons and create the impression that it's ok to be good at academic things, and to challenge those who demean achievements in the classroom as if getting the right answer is a bad thing. i'm constantly trying to bolster the self-esteem of the able but derided people in some classes, probably because i was labelled a swot at school. i just worked hard and did well, i didn't bust a gut so the label annoyed me!
similarly, i don't tolerate any language like "spacca" (?spelling) or "mong". but then maybe in a faith school you can afford to be more moralistic?

btw...
now that I have gotten to know
"gotten" I hope you don't let them write that in their coursework?!! :wink:
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Claire wrote:btw...
now that I have gotten to know
"gotten" I hope you don't let them write that in their coursework?!! :wink:
Just a quick point for your reference.
Claire wrote:i think i am a role model for the young people in school, especially the girls, even if they don't realise it. it's about setting a good example and teaching good values
Captial letters? Where are they? :D
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They'd gone on holiday with your correct grammar. They got back late last night. :wink:
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Back from their two-year round the world tour then? How did they find india, indonesia and indianapolis?

I'd been assuming those who did English degrees were just deliberately playing their skills down so the rest of us didn't feel inadequate. However, don't take that badly: I love the little quirks that people have with their typed English. Code-switching's fun to see, as I know that you wouldn't write the same way when you teach.
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Andy sooooo would.
Sorry...

andy sooooo would
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aye wood of thort ov summat 2 rite butt aye cunt b arsed ''soooooooooo'' up yours!
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What are we going to do about the PQ this week chaps?! Our normal venue has been closed for refurbishment - do we know of any others or are we going to just meet up in a pub for a chat?!
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I know of none on a Tuesday, but there is the Four-In-Hand or the Railway on a Thursday.
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I'm more than happy just to meet up for a chat. We could always go for the Four In Hand for a quiet drink.
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I would be happy with that - four in hand sounds like a good try out to me. Or we could go to the Metropolitan. . . . very good but a crowded car park no doubt!
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